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Saturday, 21 March 2009 17:37

A lot of online poker players have discussed the threat of collusion before, but you rarely hear the pros involved in such a controversy over basic poker rules. You can count me in as one of the people that is very suspicious of how all the young internet stars seem to be very good friends with each other. Not saying anything, but I'm surprised non-HU high stakes games run as often as they do.

In a star-studded $500/$1000 pot limit omaha game, Gus Hansen suggested that two players were colluding against him on a hand. While Playing at his own table at Full Tilt Poker, "Hansen's Blender", Hansen became angry at the way a hand went down with Him, Phil "OMGClayAiken" Galfond and Di "Urindanger" Dang.

Other notables not directly involved in the hand included Phil Ivey, Tom "durrrr" Dwan, and Erik Seidel. I also find it funny that some of them will get on msn together while playing like durrrr and ziigy. i suppose it would be fine if the entire table was all allowed on the same msn channel to keep certain parts of their conversations to themselves and not have the railbirds see it.



I have no idea if there was any collusion between any of them but it would be sooo easy to do.

Here is what the chat was after the hand:

Gus Hansen: too suspicious for me
Gus Hansen: nice play guys
Gus Hansen: and somehow they both were quiet
Phil Ivey: definitely collusion lol
Urindanger: you’re an idiot
Gus Hansen: If you think the QQ88 is a good play there you wouldnt have any money
Gus Hansen: thats why it is strange
Gus Hansen: but hey whatever I just have to quit
Phil Ivey: nooo
Phil Ivey: i will transfer u the 85k u jus lost
Phil Ivey: call it a gift Hansen was holding 7h-Jd-8d-9s and raised to 3,500, Urindanger called with 8s-Qd-Qs-8c. Phil Ivey called the 3,500, Galfond raised to 18,500 and had As-Ks-7c-Ac. Gus called the 18,500 then Urindanger went all in for his remaining $48,144. Predictably, Phil Ivey folded, also predictably, Galfond shoved his whole $167,432.


The call of the $18,500 seemed a bit odd for Gus, but he is known for playing anything. Even odder was when he called the all-ins with his whole $99,485.00.

The board played out with Kh-7s-4d-5d-2h, with Galfond scooping the whole $251,614 pot.

Though collusion can happen, it seems hard to think that is the case in this hand. It feels like Mr. Play Any Cards got caught paying too much against one desperate player and another with an awesome omaha hand. He had to know one of them had AA, and would probably be able to figure that at least one ace was suited. Maybe more occurred before this hand, but on just this evidence, collusion seems to be a bit far fetched.

Gus Hansen has yet to further comment on the hand, and many feel his statements may just be him tilting over his extended losing streak.

Its seems super suspicious to me. Heres why.

I know these players like Durrrr, Raptor, Urindanger, Trex, OMGClayAitken would never purposely collude. However, they are all great friends. In fact, some of them even live together (there is a picture of Durrr and one of them's grinding sit ups, they are right next to each other).

Also, most importantly, i believe they all take %'s of each others action when playing games, because the stakes and swings are so high. So theoretically, Gus Hansen could be playing with 3 of them, who all have 1/3 of there own action, and 1/3 of everyone elses action. Therefore, it wouldnt matter how much they lose individually, as long as Gus loses, then they win. Also, any pots played against each other would be irrelevant.

Whilst they wont deliberately change their style, they would be playing with the idea that their personal losses dont matter, as long as Gus or the fish loses. IMO, this is colluding straight out. This is what i see.